Where to start? The past few days have been an emotional roller coaster for me, and also for my friends. First, let me thank those who have poured out their hearts for me, stood up for me, and have fought for me.
Secondly, let me make it clear that I did not attack Miron verbally. Where I come from, "Fuck you" had a number of meanings, none of which are an attack. I meant one or all of the following: go away, shut up, leave me alone, or your opinion means nothing to me so be gone with you. Miron clearly understood my meaning as he did not initially complain. Everyone else reading the comments understood this as well.
My friends, I can not tell you how much your words of support have meant to me in these past few days. Your outpouring of support is overwhelming. I have never experienced such loyalty and devotion - and not to me the individual, but to the art and the message. The art and the message is what has been deleted from RedBubble. I am merely the conduit. I fought the good fight on RedBubble against the right wing elements. I took them on head to head without any thought for my own feelings or personal safety. I did the best I could my friends. I will continue to fight the good fight against their evil, hateful messages and offensive art and writing. I will counter the evils of the right wing with truth and a demand for tolerance and equality. I just won't be doing it on RedBubble.
I sense that some of you have lost heart. Do not loose heart my beloved friends. You are true artists. You feel when an injustice is done, and I understand how you feel. But remember this - there are many more important battles to be fought, far greater injustices in the world than one artist account on one art site.
The administration said it best when he declared that RedBubble is just "a website people" (though I think he may have edited his comment to remove that remark - gosh I just love screen captures!). So my friends, treat RedBubble as it is - just a website. Let's move on to bigger and better things and more important battles ahead. The road is long and the right wing is full to overflowing with hate and evil machinations.
You can always visit me here or join my little community of real artists on Visionaries. I will see you there!
I want to end this on a high note, so this is for Alison - always the Devil's Advocate, but what you really look like is a brown nose. No one is more utterly out of touch with the heart and soul of the artist than you seem to be. The YouTube video is just for you:
You can always visit me here or join my little community of real artists on Visionaries. I will see you there!
I want to end this on a high note, so this is for Alison - always the Devil's Advocate, but what you really look like is a brown nose. No one is more utterly out of touch with the heart and soul of the artist than you seem to be. The YouTube video is just for you:
I hate this Helen! it is so not fair. I will miss you being there. I want you back :(
ReplyDeleteI love you girly
Love, funkyface
xxoo
This is a bitter disappointment Helen, I too want you back on RedBubble.
ReplyDeleteMatt x
O Helen - I LOOOVE your tribute to Alison lol.... someone to whom there has been no point at all in responding in any of the forum threads at al..... And - typical you! YOU are the one who has been treated so so badly by a wrongly and terribly inconsistently applied (so-called) policy (which may or may not exist in the first place!!!), and here you are - supporting those of us who are left!!!
ReplyDeleteI have never met anyone with a stronger moral and ethical sense of fairness and right and wrong than you, my friend, and I so so miss you on RB already! Yes, we can still keep in touch on Visionaries or elsewhere, but at least for me, RB was 'home'. Now, it has lost that sense. Who knows when I may unintentionally 'offend' someone enough for them to complain and I - or anyone else - may go the same way as you? RB is no longer 'safe'.
Besides being clear on this 'policy' - the only way RB can be made 'safe' again is by a formal apology to you - and anyone else we may not be aware of who has been dealt with in the same way. I'm not really holding my breath on that one lol ;)))
I love you Helen
Love - kallena xx
Ha ! the kiss my ass video is awesome ! we should all tell her that in the same thread lol
ReplyDeleteffs
Hi Helen,
ReplyDeleteI am just now catching up on everything that happened with you and RedBubble and all I can says is "Yikes!" Good for you for speaking your mind -- like a GOOD american! -- and standing up for your beliefs. I had not heard about the Glenn Beck/Mt Rushmore thing, but I, like you, vomited in my mouth when I read about that. Are you kidding me?? Anyone who worships THAT man is obviously troubled. Anyhow, we will see you over on Visionaries -- YOU GO GIRL!!
Tina
ALL POWER TO YOU HELEN!! IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE IMPORTANT IN THIS FUCKED UP WORLD!! KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT!!! AND YOU ARE A TRUE ARTIST WHO USES ART TO EXPOSE THE LIES OF ALL THE FASCIST SCUM OUT THERE!! RESPECT!!! XOXO
ReplyDeleteLMAO Helen. Do I have to sign to let you know that it's Alison.
ReplyDeleteI was hoping you'd come up with something much better than this. The problem is that RB's policy on behaviour has changed since 2008.
You sound like a Christian Revivalist Preacher in this entry - dearly beloved, fight the good fight ..... what the heck are you thinking ?
To all those posting under an Anon tag - why don't you put your RB names up there for the world to see, or better yet, post kiss my ass in the forums to me :-)
Just seen that FF and Matt have the balls to put their names up
Trying to do a little baiting there Alison? This isn't RedBubble and there is no one for you to go crying to. I think you are one of the most obnoxious people I have ever had the displeasure to encounter. You have no talent and an offensive personality. Do you ever wonder why hardly anyone comments on your art and journals? You are a foul human being. I do not like you and your claim that you like me is disingenuous at best.
ReplyDeleteGo back to your forum lurking and leave art to the artists.
helen just ignore people who annoy you you will enjoy your web experience more. i found out this a long time ago. you were treated so so so so shabilly i can't explain how disappointed i was in what happened to you.
ReplyDeletegingy *mary*
LMAO Helen, you're hilarious. I've just posted a link to this Blog at RedBubble.
ReplyDeleteI don't go crying to anyone at RB - usually only in defence of others. I am more than capable of taking care of myself and well you know it.
I'm glad this has ended up outside of RB, because people will get to see the real Helen and they may be a little shocked.
Cheers, Alison.
Ha ! good for you Helen ! and I'll say it again...........lol @ Alison .... that means... I really DID laugh out loud......I wasn't saying lol to dismiss you ;)or to antagonize you lol.
ReplyDeleteI have waited ages for you to tell her off in public ! what a fake person she is......let me savor this moment !
ffs
Hey FFS Alison has no sense of humor. I think Whitney's "Kiss ma' ASS!" is priceless.
ReplyDeleteHelen,
ReplyDeleteI think Alison is obsessed with you. She is stalking you yet again. I don't know how she can go on without you, but as she has no life she will find you where every you are. She has made you the topic in the forums for two days and she is making sure it continues. I don't think she even sleeps. She must dream of you as well.... SICKO.............
sista
Hey Sista! I'm going to start thinking of her obsession as advertising. Let her post links to the blog. I have not said anything here that I would not say on RB, except for the Please Play Nice Policy. xoxo
ReplyDeleteCan't tell you how sorry I am to see you gone from redbubble but at least I can still get regular doses of you elsewhere!
ReplyDeleteI know a lot of people think you go too far but as I've said twice now, we need more like you. It's the revolutionaries who drag the rest of us up to some sort of middle ground and who actually cause change to happen. And I for one am grateful to you for the work you do.
Thanks to your diligent research and loudmouth ;) I have learnt so much and added a few more online action groups to those I already followed. It mightn't be much in the grand scheme but it is something and I hope better than nothing!
So, I say keep up the good fight and more power to you! There is much work to be done and many changes we need to see.
Love,
Tiffany Dryburgh
lady you are a fighter for sure
ReplyDeletei think the admin is thinking about allowing you back on..and the moron..i mean miron is still attempting to make his point even tho he fk'd up big time in the forums :)
i think he admired you because as he cut me down and RP, he used your words..i thought it was kinda sweet "coughs"
just keep your cool lady like i KNOW you can
you know im here along with many others!!
chris
I thought you might have got the chop from the battles you had here
ReplyDeletehttp://www.redbubble.com/people/dawnmeadows/art/3790157-2-buyers-remorse
not some F you comment
Hey sista,
ReplyDeleteHelen has me as a friend on Facebook, when she posts on there I get to see it.
Would have thought that was easy to figure out.
Cheers, Alison.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteSeptember 30, 2009 10:17 PM
I thought you might have got the chop from the battles you had here
http://www.redbubble.com/people/dawnmeadows/art/3790157-2-buyers-remorse
not some F you comment
Hey Anon, no the email I received from RB advised it was in fact the "F -- You, Miron" comment that did it. They even sent a lovely screen capture too. So the big fight on Buyers Remorse was not the cause.
Okay HOLD UP over there in bubble land. Alison has questioned my integrity, accused me of being mean to other people, said I had it coming, and I was unable to defend myself because my account has been deleted. So I tell her to kiss my ass here on my blog. Then she leaves a comment making fun of me calling me a "Christian Revivalist Preacher" and laughing at me. Alison had it coming. A little honesty hurts like hell doesn't it Alison? You are a mean person, and you like to pretend you are nice and balanced and all about the rules. You have two faces, and I don't like the looks of either of them
ReplyDeletePlease go back to your little black & white world where life fits into neat little boxes Alison, it's where you are obviously most comfortable.
ReplyDeleteMARION
Oh my we are playground bullies now ? Alison has received what she deserves...........
ReplyDeleteinsert Clapping..........................NOW!
ReplyDeleteYou have alot of support and that doesnt come easy, you must have left a great impression on people.
I hope all works out for you. Alison seems to have something against you, i have read everything she has written and she seems to have it out for you and all who support you. I must say ive been known to get into trouble for sticking up for myself so human we are. Love your might,strength and god speed .Oh and just a warning, i think that alison bird is using her manners here and baiting you so she can go use it else where in a effort to prove something, try not to fall for it.
Jodi tweed
Alison has not gotten what she deserves yet. But one can hope.......... and its Miss Sista to you Alison.
ReplyDeleteNo one can mock me on my own blog saying I sounded like a preacher and not expect to get it right back. Now one or two people may think I am being vitriol over here when I tell her off. No not at all. I am being honest. I did not use one single "F-word."
ReplyDeleteshe is baiting you, her favorite pastime. I have never seen anyone so obsessed as this woman is about you, its really weird. I would get that vulture off your facebook account
ReplyDeleteSista
Hey Sista
ReplyDeleteI thought to give her the benefit of the doubt when she sent the friend request. After all, I have nothing to hide. But I think you are right that I should cull my friends list.
Interesting article from Gore Vidal you will find intriguing.
ReplyDeletehttp://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article6854221.ece
Sista
Helen, like Chris stated we're still fighting the fight. Oh buy the way my screen name Is FROGSTER.
ReplyDeleteHoney do not trust a friendly vulture............cull that list. The vulture is to sick to be a friend to anyone.
ReplyDeleteSista
Thank you Frogster. I hated to be so tough on Alison, but the self righteous attitude is over the top. I got busted up by her in the forums over there at RedBubble with no way to defend myself. Now I see I am being called "the Devil" by a right wing nut. Allegedly I attacked little children too. Soon they will be demanding to see my birth certificate and accusing me of palin' around with . . . . oh I must stop now.
ReplyDeleteSheesh. It just keeps getting worse.
Everyone has the capacity to be creative. But not everyone is an artist.
Ha ha ha ha
ReplyDeleteHelen you crack me up LOL and it's so true !!!!
ffs
The Aussie connection here, just adding my voice to support you...... Helen, they can delete your account, but they cannot silence your voice, stop your message or banish your spirit...it will survive all of this on RB, and flourish as it is everywhere else. True greatness will survive and TRUTH will always win out over time.....it will emerge!!
ReplyDeleteAnd you know what? To have the little people yapping at your heels is only a sign that you are truly hitting the mark....as the truth hurts....and people don't even know it half the time, they just react. Each to their own, too, for the world needs the hypocrites, the weasels, the meanspirited and the jerks - all kinds of humans so that we have balance and inspiration to rise above and be more than we are. I thank people like those revealed at RB because they just show me who I DO NOT wish to be......
A sign of success? Ask any great leader? Is to have those without any hope of success trying to drag them back down to their own level......
You are strong, brave and admirable....and dearly loved.
Wendy
O Helen - you keep at it - you seriously HAVE got what it takes! And Alison has the nerve to tell me I put up support for you here 'anonymously' when I signed my post with my FULL NAME 'KALLENA'!
ReplyDeleteAs far as I'm concerned, the 'point of all those forums' got lost about the time Peter shut down the first one. It was nothing more than off-topic personal abuse pretty much all the way after that... And - I was truly stunned that a few people just 'kept on at it' all the way until just about now..... Have they nothing better to do with their time than to sit in a pointless, off-topic thread and abuse each other???? Well - you know who the main person still there was...
I also bring you best wishes and support from Anna Larsen and Clare Colins. They both asked me to pass this on to you.
So now, I'm just sitting back and waiting for the 'formal response' from the 'internal review'. I make no predictions of what they may come up with. But - the damage has been done, and it would take a very great deal for it to be 'undone'.
Love and hugs -
Kallena xx
You know mom, I love it when people "laugh" when they just got owned. It just shows that they really are pitiful and every bad thing said about them is getting to them.
ReplyDeleteAnd Mom your really not different at all outside of redbubble. It just makes me laugh know how obsessed and ridiculous people really can be.
Redbubble no longer has that home feeling anymore and of course you know you are missed by many. =]
I love you mom!
KITTY SCHUL =]
A detail for all those who enter here who may NOT be aware.....
ReplyDeleteI - KALLENA - am on Red Bubble more commonly known as DRAGONFLYER
K xxx
And I Kitty Schul am also on Red Bubble as Kitty Schul =]
ReplyDeleteI'm lovin the support Kallena =]
Hey Kallena, I saw your name clearly signed beneath your comment. But it is cool to make anonymous comments.
ReplyDeleteThe thing that I find so insane is that I have not asked a single person to go to bat for me.
And before Alison tries to make the url of my blog look like a slander on RedBubble or it's members, here is the video "Bubble Idiots"
And this is what my blog is named for btw:
"Bubble Idiots" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIqaQVJZz7w
Of course you didn't ask anyone to do anything for YOU Helen - that is not your style (either on OR off RB!!!) Some people just can't recognise honesty and integrity if it hits them in the face - as sometimes it does lol ;)))
ReplyDeletePeople are crazy mad at the ridiculous inconsistencies in RB application of so-called policy! And - there ARE some areas of policy where it is NOT either appropriate OR possible to draw a black and white line down the middle, though some people are simply unable to recognise the existence of any 'grey'... and the definition of 'personal abuse', especially vs what may or may not be criticism of an artwork vs the person who made the artwork - is one of those things!
The emails you received and you quote above describe the only possible approach that DOES make sense, and has any hope at all in being applied in anything even vaguelly approaching a fair manner... Lots of people whoa re trying to establish professional profiles and ports are seriously worried that if what happened to you is the go - all their financial investment in establishing themselves as 'going artists' is put at serious risk! And - that is one BIG problem for RB ;)))
Kallena xxx
oh my Helen, I just don't get it. You said F$#@ you that is all you said F%$# you. Why is she spending all this time and energy picking you apart ? Do you know how many times in a day I say that or something like it ? sheesh !
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad that you use your time to help others instead of coming home from work and trolling through the forums seeking out the opposing side of a debate just for kicks....that is so shallow and quite revealing.
ffs xo
Hey Mrs. Schul, thank you very much! Love you!
ReplyDeleteKallena there has never been any real consistency in the application of the alleged "rules" at RB. I think that they tried to be flexible, but the rules were not clear enough. It has never really been defined what constitutes a "personal attack."
It doesn't matter to me anymore since I got booted and there is no way they will let me back on. Can you imagine the roar that would go up from the right wing on that site if I came back? :-)
Wait it's not just for kicks is it LOL
ReplyDeleteO Helen - I would LOVE nothing more than to watch and make the occasional comment on the 'roar from the right wing on that site' if they let you back LOL ;))))
ReplyDeleteNow - that WOULD be a seriously FUN way to spend a day....
Kallena xx
This will all blow over. People will stop commenting on this blog. People will stop talking about this on your FB page. You'll maybe start feeling pretty lonely. I know. Been there done that. After the hype's over, no-one will leave RB on your behalf. They'll all go back to the usual. Life is an interesting saga...
ReplyDeleteYeah, you're probably right. It will all blow over and life will go on. I doubt I will ever be lonely though. Actually, people have left RB even though I asked them not to leave. Maybe they will re-open their accounts. I hope they do. Life is more than an interesting saga, it's an awesome experience!
ReplyDeleteWe don't need to be on rb to be friends...........maybe you don't have any ? bye bye now anonymous
ReplyDeleteffs
Oh, My Darling Helen,
ReplyDeleteWhy are the naysayers always following your
tail and trying to diminish what you say...
THEY FEAR A STRONG WOMAN...the saddest part is weak women with ugly faces and dumb smiles
are the ones that will cast the first stone
and they don't know shit from shinola (ever
heard that expression...was my mother's
favorite). Oh, and weak men with small dicks
usually follow the same route of trying
to sound intelligent.
What was done on RB is unconscionable.
Your true friends are still fighting it and
we will NOT STOP.
Love You,
Sally
P.S. This may come up as anonymous..because
I don't know jackshit about URLs.
P.P.S. I think RB should now stop all political rhetoric and the word "fuck"
should be immediately banned...and they
should hang a black wreath on their door
because their star member is no longer there.
Without you, there will be only
bullshit relating to politics.
My father used to say "they don't know shit from shinola" all the time. Shinola was a brand of paste shoe polish. LOL Mother used to say so and so "can't tell his ass from his elbow." Ha! Ha! Love both of those sayings, they are so much more colorful than just telling someone they are ignorant.
ReplyDeleteI know why the naysayers follow me. It's because I give them a forum. I don't delete their comments. I won't erase their thoughts by clicking the delete link, no matter how unpleasant or incoherent.
My parents also said "can't tell his ass
ReplyDeletefrom his elbow" also one of my favorite
expressions...
Sally xoxox
Writen about RedBubble, who allow raceist remark by Moderators, don't worry I will not mention Larrys' name....
ReplyDeletePoets, Send Your Words
They are scamming on the net again
Out hunting some easier profits
We will help you get some gain
And maybe a little bit for your pockets
It will cost you nothing with no pain
They are the ones who will do all the sell
And make sure everyone remembers your name
No need for you to put yourself through Hell
You only have to send your best creation
Make sure it is the best you have done
They will sell it off in another nation
You will not know and they will party in the sun
It is not going to cost you any money
But then you will never see any you have made
This one will be in a magazine tomorrow
With someone elses name who will get paid
It isn’t their fault that someone stole your best work
When it was you who put it here for them to take
To stupid to recognise just another scammers’ lurk
Their names and that of the groups are all fake
So make sure you only send them your best
You can be sure they want to make a sale
And that they will treat you better than the rest
It is a sure winner and they will not fail
So if you think you hear your work on the radio
And someone else is getting all of the praise
Or if they sell it and never let you know
Make sure you have another post you can raise
I wrote a poem once and called it “Name”
The first letter of every line spelt out mine
And some scammer got busted for trying to claim
What I had created and registered in my time
Great rewards easily gained often rarely yield
Opulent finances lasting after handed expecting return to you
And even if you spelt your name in the last two lines to wield
They would just edit those two lines too
So watch out when someone offers to promote your words
Get reading ever generous offer respecting you
Know there is no such thing as a free lunch or swords
Or fame likely ahead here every respect to you
12.59am 8th November 2008 AESummerT
copyright Gregory John O’Flaherty
hey there Helen... how fantastic to see you back on form here.... so cool.... all the hoohar over at the bubble... no joke it's been steaming over there although there are a few egoists who have been quite out of control trying to turn all eyes to themself..... very sad that.
ReplyDeleteYou have been treated so very shabbily and it won't end there.... they have been so short sighted in their actions and I believe it will come back to haunt them very badly in the future.... already the rabid right wing wack jobs are giggling and rubbing their hands together singing.... hurrah hurrah the devil is gone......oh dear RB has shot itself in the foot there I'm afraid...wait till they start spreading their vileness unchecked... the little pockets of poison you seemed to keep in check will now flourish .... and gee that's going to be a lot of fun for them to deal with.... oh well their choice....
never lose heart dear Helen.... the battle is lost but the war is not.....
hugs
Juilee P
http://www.redbubble.com/people/themadbubbler
ReplyDeleteThe mad bubbler is with you!
did you know that when your best mate Alison was spreding her ego everywere in the redbubble forums and made somne horrible remarks about gays being sick people.... some one contacted one of the three owners about it..... and the unnamed owner got back to them saying.... 'dont worry about her... she's an idiot'
ReplyDeleteHAHA so funny and she thinks she can brown nose her way to a paid position there......yoiks can you imagine
stay strong sista girl
Yesterday someone blatantly told Alison in the forums that they were really glad RB had never taken her up on her offer to become a moderator on the site...smartest move they ever made IMO.
ReplyDeleteCould you imagine?
Hey Helen
ReplyDeleteI am sorry that Redbubble haven't really looked deeply enough into this issue and reinstated your account. You were treated unfairly, in my opinion, no doubt about it. I think the other party should have recieved the same treatment as you did, if RB were going to stick by their decision. I will not sway in my opinion on any of that, no matter what.
I am not in support of this lashing out at Alison though, and I know you know that of me, and I know you won't feel hurt that I feel that way either. I believe very strongly in fairness, and at the end of the day, to all those doing this lashing out here now - it was RB policy that has wronged Helen, not any one person, or individual. Lashing out at someone who had a contrary opinion to those who supported Helen, is not ideal, or constructive - it makes things a lot worse for you Helen, as it starts to show you, and others, in the light that RB have wrongly placed on under as perhaps being correct. Whether we think it or not, wil make no difference, if everyone gives them enough to make them "look" in the right. Alison maybe shouldn't have referred to past issues in the light that she did, particularly under the fact that you have been a clean and upstanding RB member for a very long time now, and that you were baited to give a reponse on this occasion, but, that still doesn't give anyone the right to try to cause her as much hurt as possible, wherever they see fit. This is external to RB, so my words may not have any bearing - nor would I expect them to, but fairness is something that I beleive is a two way street.
I am still hoping that RB will reconsider - nothing is impossible, but I fear that with much that is going on now, at the moment, they are just going to strengthen their stance - which really would be ironic. Imagine the thought that they may have been thinking about changing their decision, but these attacks on Alison just made them dig their heels in. Your friends and supporters, then actively becoming the people who keep you out. Not a good thought for any of them, or you eh!
You know I will defend you on this RB decision to the end Helen, but I cant, and won't join in on a mass attack of another person, because they had a different opinion to me.
Even if I did think any person had wronged you in the forums on this, I would not attack them, for fear it would weaken your own position in things.
That said, I am here if you need me Helen - just call ok.
Julie Langford
Hello there friend - you have stated one of the exact things I repeated in all those bullshit forums the other day... that the reason people 'got at you' - and the reason you responded to them, was EXACTLY because you did NOT delete their comments!!! You have always been honest and engaged in DEBATE, and tried consistently to use rational (and often even referenced!!!) argument to back your point of view - and you NEVER denied anyone else their say!
ReplyDeleteUnlike the manipulative idiots who delete every single comment from their threads that casts any kind of even tiny negative or disagreeing perspective on any of their work - and so TOTALLY MISLEAD the public re what the actual OVERALL response to their viewpoint is.....
BTW - I've had over 250 views on my journal post about 'RB policy'.... most I've ever had on a journal by a looong way.... and a 'very unusual enormous spike in the views on my art in the 24 hrs leading up to last night....' normally I average something over 200 views per day - in THAT exact 24 hour period, where I was just a touch too busy elsewhere on RB to answer a single comment on my work - for some strange reason all of a sudden I rated over 1000 views in approx 24 hrs....... just a touch interesting, hey ;)))
And - I see the 'mad bubbler' has come and said 'hi' to you here too!!! Seems a cool kind of bloke / gal with great taste in journals and super talent at creating the most aesthetic Tees.....
Kallena xxx
Hi again... I would like to add a comment on Julie's comment re 'lashing out at Alison' which came up after I posted...
ReplyDeleteFirstly, though I was not aware of it, it was obvious from the RB forum threads and your response here that you and Alison have a loong history, which seemed to me to be pretty equal from both ends...
I have only had some very helpful contact with Alison in forums re PS techniques - she has been great to me there.
But - the amazing persistence of her 'playing the devil's advocate' in the forums, when you were not able to be there yourself to defend yourself, to me went a LOOOOONG way beyond 'playing nice'!!!
I have no issues with the really extremely funny response you have made to her here, and if anyone in RB management has ANY sense of humour at all, I would hope VERY MUCH that they are able to see your response as I do - in reality, in view of how incredibly upset and distressed you must have been, and how horrifically helpless you must have felt in seeing all of what was going on there (though - you could have not watched - maybe you didn't all the time anyway?) with no ability to defend yourself or your character in any way - I think that taken in that context - AS IT SHOULD BE - your response has been extremely restrained and well-controlled!
I post this not just for you , Helen, but also for anyone else who may come along and have a 'view' on this particular issue.....
O Geeez.... I sem to find myself going on and on and on about CONTEXT these past few days.... must be the social worker in me LOL ;)))
Love, Kallena xxx
I am not so much refeerring to Helens response Kallena, but more to the comments below. Whether Alison played Devil's advocate isn't the real issue, or the fact that Helen couldn't defend herself, because, everyone here knows that Helen can, and will defend herself, one way or another - it is the very essence of what it is to be Helen, what most people love about her. Her tenacity is one of her strongest, and most admirable qualities, as we all know.
ReplyDeleteWhat I am getting at, is other people who are lashing out at Alison - they were certainly in a position to defend themselves if she attacked them, yet, still they rant about unfairness in that respect.
I am not defending Alison's opinion, because I happen to disagree with it, but I will defend any persons right to have their opinion, and state it, whenever they please, without having to deal with attack as a response to it.
Both Helen and I have had our differences too - big ones :) Neither of us hold that against each other to any great extent, and Helen usually respects my opinion on things, even when she strongly opposes it. I dont think past history even comes into things. The past it the past, you can either run from it, or learn by it, and IMO, Helen, me, and a whole lot of others, had done just that. Sure I have played the "past" card on times, who hasn't. Helen has used it on times, I have, you probably have, and everyone else has too - Alison did it in this incident, but it makes her no different to anyone else in here.
Julie
helen
ReplyDeletei know this is your space here, but dont let your space be the item used against you
you know we are behind you 100% and know we dont like how all of this was done.
so KEEP your COOL!!! because copy and paste can be your worst enemy
What makes you think I have lost my cool? People's reactions are soooooo predictable.
ReplyDeleteIf I were you, I would not try to have a discussion in the forum for quite some time. There is only one topic and she is milking it for all she can. Sad, but funny at the same time.
Good morning from Melbourne....
ReplyDeleteYou are right about the forum - the one topic there was being pushed beyond all bounds of reason and 'play nice' by some, and by one person in particular. Which is why I have made no comment there for quite some time.
Now, I understand at your request Helen, Peter has shut the final threads down. I have to say - about time. There was nothing decent or civil or constructive happening there anyway.
Hope you're having a decent kind of day friend
Kallena xx
I guess my last ditch attempt to resurrect you by offering to fuck those at the 'Top' _was_ a bit over the top... Me and my damned big mouth, apologies if it caused any offense, but the intention was good, if it's any consolation my offer was rejected... It's always the people with a bit of 'Sas' and the balls to speak their minds who are the first to go, no doubt my time will come... I miss the people who've had their asses kicked out of redbubble the most, the community is increasingly becoming boringly conventional,I guess the only thing that could save you now is an offer of a million bucks donation to redbubble, money, it seems, counts for everything there, it is after all, 'only a website...' No more input from me, your wishes are noted and respected.
ReplyDeleteJennifer B
Jennifer, you wouldn't want to fuck them honey, not for yourself and especially not for me. I've had enough of RedBubble. It is all hypocrisy and lies anyway. You are 100% correct - it is money. Cute little kities and big ol' titties, that's what sells. Real art? - well who the hell wants to see that, eh?
ReplyDeleteCarry on Jennifer B. I wish I had a chance to know you better.
Hi Helen
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry to see you go from RB, and I will miss you. All the best in your artistic and political endeavours.
Cheers
Denise
(aka DesImages)
Hi Helen,
ReplyDeleteApart from a couple of posts I’ve kept pretty quiet in public about this fiasco. Now that you have called a stop to the debacle I can share just a fragment of one of several long and heartfelt b-mails that I have been sending to admin in the hope that you will be allowed to return to RB
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The truth is that, no matter how much we would like the principles of democracy and equality to apply, there are some members like Helen who are special cases – not because of any individual claim to that status, but because they are gifted with the ability to voice the concerns of a great number of members who would otherwise not be heard. Helen has become the virtual spokesperson for all of those individuals who share her beliefs and passions. The collective reaction that you see is in reality a public reaction against having their voice silenced.
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Voices in the silence........
Love and all my very best wishes for your future
Nigel (kafka)
red bubble makes all the money thats for sure, whats really in it for the artist? because its about the money the rules are so full on. You should(or me) start a site where any and all forms of art are shared with-out the selling, that way you have the freedom to express your god given rights to tell someone to go an get fucked if warrants.The main rule of red bubble is........Shut ya mouth,play nice SO WE CAN MAKE AS MUCH MONEY OFF YOUR WORK AS POSSIBLE!
ReplyDeleteJodi Tweed
37 foot in mouth st, Garbutt Townsville.
@Nigel I had no idea. RedBubble can not let me return, because to do so would be an admission that a mistake was made and that will not happen.
ReplyDeleteSo I told one person, "F@ck you." Maybe I should have said something like , "Dear sir, please do not make derogatory comments on my work. I would like to direct your attention the Please Play Nice Policy and recommend that you review these guidelines prior to commenting in the future." Somehow, it just doesn't have the same "punch" does it?
Nonetheless, I chose my words in the "heat of the moment" (using the words of one RB adminstrator) and now I pay the price.
There are those who may view my calling a hault to all the noise in the forums as a weak move, I assure you it took great strength to make that call. I had to set aside my personal feelings and look at the big picture. Nothing good was coming from the ruckus.
At this point, it doesn't matter what decision RB makes regarding my individual account. They have to address the loss of faith in the company as fair and equitable. RB will have to work to regain the trust of a great number of members. I expect they have a long hard road ahead of them.
Nigel, they are not going to reinstate my account. Perhaps another member will step up to the challenge and take up the banner. I will always be here should anyone need me.
@Jodi You are always welcome at Visionaries. I am working on a number of gallery opportunties for members and I have just set up a store option for members. No bullshit just art and community
ReplyDeleteIt's about money. Shame.
ReplyDeleteStay strong, Helen.
Hi Helen. KSeriphyn here. I've always admired your honest, outspoken point of views, which has brought to light some of people's weak spots.
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame RB doesn't appreciate political and expressive point of views as equally as they do with $$$. If they were a non for profit organisation and "true" community for artists they would be a lot more non bias with their decisions, and even use common sense. Unfortunately, were dealing with entrepreneurs here, and even one whose has serviced a government role. When you have strong links to businesses such as realestate.com, you know that artist point of view, and that of political opinions may compromise a commercial standpoint.
Obviously they (still) don't have the "proper" customer service resources to handle complaints and member conflicts. I really believe they need a few trained customer service reps with disputes resolution skills (even a trained counsellor) and finance ethical policies to handle such events. This unfortunate event with yourself just proves they have none of these tools vital to run their art community, and that there is one rule for one lot of people and another rule for the rest.
I do hope you are well. Don't lose sleep or energy over this. Save it for a battle really worth fighting for.
Keep being you and we'll keep loving yah.
xx
KSev
Another bit of evidence that RB's all about the money is that many people have complained about the poOr standard of their t-shirt or cut off card so if it was about the art then mistakes like that would seldom happen.Ive been worried about someone buying something with my name on it and it not being sent out with total confidence it will be of high quality, then again why should i be worried, its not my buisness, im not getting the main profit,why should i be woried..............BECAUSE MY NAME IS ON IT AND ITS MY ART, MINE,MINE,MINE,MINE.Anyway i know i should just leave as it seems i dont enjoy my stay but tomatoe tamatoe, thats the end of the road for me, ive had my 2 cents.
ReplyDeleteJodi :)
They still might let you back on... If you still want to be there that is, all isn't lost, and I have first hand knowledge that Peter isn't inflexible or totally closed off to the reinstatement of some past members, including yourself, who were deleted before the rules have been clarified.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.redbubble.com/people/epimetheus/journal/3889985-serial-complainers-snatched-up-from-the-fun-factorys-memory-hole